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TeX/LaTeX is often imposed on scientists and students, while there are user friendlier alternatives around such as GNU TeXmacs. It is a shame that TeXmacs does not get more attention, because its typesetting quality is actually superior to TeX/LaTeX, math typing is far more efficient, and it comes with e.g. an integrated picture editor, etc., etc.

But where on Stackexchange are we assumed to ask questions on TeXmacs? Is Stackexchange some kind of banana-republic where useful software gets censored?

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    I've migrated this to meta as it is about the site/network itself
    – Joseph Wright Mod
    May 25 at 16:03
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    This is the first I have heard of TeXmacs. If it is so much better than TeX/LaTeX why is there any need to ask questions? --- GOM May 26 at 17:47
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    @PeterWilson But first of all, since "TeXmacs is not based on TeX/LaTeX" (cit. their site), why they put a "TeX" in its name?
    – CarLaTeX
    May 27 at 6:37
  • @PeterWilson I think presence in stackexchange is important to raise the awareness of the users on possible alternatives. The fact that you haven't heard about TeXmacs is a sign that there is a problem since it is not a bad software. For example: how would you search for editors designed to compose scientific documents and are not based on TeX? Typically an uninitiated user will be directed to "LaTeX systems", therefore I would argue that the LaTeX stackexchange should allow for discussion of alternatives, in lack of a more suitable place.
    – mgubi
    Jun 1 at 19:17
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    @mgubi This site is about (La)TeX and friends. TEXmacs is not based on TeX. It seems to me that what you are suggesting that the site should be open to all questions about typesetting programs, such as those from Adobe, Word, SILE and others. If you think that is important then aim for a new SE site but that is not beholden on this site. Jun 3 at 17:17
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StackExchange sites in general have a defined scope based on community norms, which tend to derive from the range of expertise available. That of course means that lots of things are not on-topic for any of them. With software in general, SuperUser tends to be the place to go, whilst for more programmatic aspects, the 'main site' (StackOverflow) is the place to at least try.


Other community-based approaches have similar restrictions. For example, I note that TopAnswers say that non-TeX-based tools are off-topic for them.

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    @Gérard Like I said, I think newer users are deliberately prevented from asking too frequently as this reduces e.g. spam or 'help, I'm stuck and it's urgent' or ... messages
    – Joseph Wright Mod
    May 25 at 16:51
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    @Gérard I'm really not sure what you mean. This site has a defined scope which broadly relates to Knuth's TeX and systems directly derived from it. That doesn't mean other software is not useful, it means that we don't cover it. MathJaX is the obvious one, but for example Lua programming even if in LuaTeX would be off-topic without being 'rejected'. It's about having a manageable scope, that's all.
    – Joseph Wright Mod
    May 25 at 17:00
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    @Gérard You should stop to insult people. Or do you want that all people connect with your application is your bad behaviour? May 25 at 17:28
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    @Gérard The tex.se community has many flaws, but it is not responsible or even connected to any decisions about proposals about other topics on area51! May 25 at 19:05
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    @Gérard On the voting: I didn't downvote and I think the meta question is perfectly reasonably. That said - the odd downvote on meta is not something to get exercised over - it shows disagreement from one person.
    – Joseph Wright Mod
    May 25 at 19:41
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    @Gérard Almost no-one on this site is involved in the 'decision making' side of publishing. My own day-job work is almost always published from Word drafts as that's what's common in my subject area. People here using LaTeX as authors don't get to decide what 'Publisher X' accept, even if they are involved in the backend workflow.
    – Joseph Wright Mod
    May 25 at 19:43
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    @Gérard Publishers requirements tend to be about their workflows - in the end, these are driven at least in part by financial considerations (lots of users of one route -> easier to tell everyone to use that route). My understanding of ArXiV is that they require TeX source for LaTeX-derived PDFs, but do accept PDFs from other methods (most obviously Word).
    – Joseph Wright Mod
    May 26 at 7:01
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    @Gérard A suitable place to ask questions is where there are people who can and want answer them. Such places develop in various ways, sometimes created by enthusiast, sometimes by some company seeing a benefit. If you want one but can't find something suitable built a webpage yourself or find some who does it. And get rid of the idea that you can convince me to pester publishers not to use LaTeX, I like LaTeX and I don't like wysiwyg, regardless how good it is (and I have some doubts that texmacs can do some of the stuff I do and need with latex, like chessboards and bears). May 26 at 10:58
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    @Gérard If your questions will be programming related, give StackOverflow a try. SO even has a tag for texmacs and all the previous questions got answers. May 26 at 11:10
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    @Gérard The area51 proposal did not get destroyed, it failed to meet the requirements May 26 at 14:40
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    @Gérard -- you say "The fact is that LaTeX is being imposed on users by publishers." The fact is, at least one publisher was forced by users to adopt LaTeX when AMS-TeX (based on plain TeX) was working perfectly well in production. May 26 at 14:43
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    "Concerning wysiwyg, I think that people from the LaTeX community are just being very conservative and narrow-minded." why are you saying this repeatedly, you really don't know what tools the people here use, it isn't that relevant to the question, texmacs isn't tex so you should not ask here isn't that obvious? If you had difficulties asking at stackoverflow that's a shame but there is no point complaining here about that, complain on the stackoverflow meta, we can't control that at all. May 26 at 18:27
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    @Gérard It's not about 'promotion', it's about 'usage' - 99%+ of the questions on the site are about 'how do I do X', and as I've said, the StackExchange format is very poor at 'what is best' or 'compare these tools' questions. We have a long-standing idea that alternative approaches to solving an issue are 'acceptable' in answers, which means usually ConTeXt or plain TeX for LaTeX questions, PSTricks for TikZ questions, etc., but can mean any tool one likes for some fundamental issue (e.g. river detection). See for example (again) the 'alternatives' question, where we have Patoline, ...
    – Joseph Wright Mod
    May 26 at 19:12
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    The questions you asked on the main site are mostly not really suitable for the stackexchage format as they are not focussed on any issue that can have an answer, they are just opinions stated as facts and inviting a respose. There are discussion forums where that works, but the stackexchange question/answer model really does not support that kind of discussion or "promotion" May 26 at 21:57
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    @Gérard From earlier comments of yours I feel that you want publishers to accept any kind of input from authors. At one point you implied that you would like to submit handwritten manuscripts and at another you asked for publishers who would accept non (La)TeX generated manuscripts. On the whole I find your comments rude and obsessive. You complain about hostile behaviour; ever thought that you started that? --- GOM May 27 at 18:45

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