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While looking at the (IMO very good) question Storing and retrieving data in tuc file, I think that the tag is inappropriate, it should be mkiv or contextmarkiv or something similar. This is because this question does not apply on the (here default) LaTeX format with LuaTeX. A specific mkiv tag would be much better for future searches.

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  • Does context alone not cover this, when combined with luatex?
    – Joseph Wright Mod
    Apr 16 '12 at 12:09
  • @JosephWright from a "person asking a question" point of view it would suffice, but I am thinking of searching. When I am looking for LuaTeX specific things I am not interested in ConTeXt only questions/answers, they don't help me. This is somewhat related to the fact that the "default" tag here is "LaTeX". I would not consider the mentioned question really related to LuaTeX (in the strict sense, of course, but any answer would not apply to LuaTeX).
    – topskip
    Apr 16 '12 at 12:15
  • Understood. Does searching for [luatex] -[context] or [luatex] [context] (depending on the case) cover this? (I'm not against the idea, I'm just making sure I understand the concept properly.)
    – Joseph Wright Mod
    Apr 16 '12 at 12:27
  • @JosephWright Correct. [luatex] -[context] would almost do the same job, but not quite: [luatex] and [context] in a question could mean that the OP is happy with either a LuaTeX or a ConTeXt question (but unlikely), but [mkiv] would make things clearer.
    – topskip
    Apr 16 '12 at 12:36
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    I think that the trouble is that [luatex] is a synonym for [lualatex] (and [pdftex] is a synonym for [pdflatex]. Shouldn't [luatex] refer to the engine and [lualatex] and [mkiv] refer to the macro formats. Similarly, [pdftex] should refer to the engine and [pdflatex] and [mkii] to the macro format.
    – Aditya
    Apr 17 '12 at 5:32
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    One thing to bear in mind about tags is that they need to be fairly obvious and explanatory to the people asking the questions. So adding a [markiv] tag or equivalent, even if it it useful for searching, is unlikely to be added by users.
    – Alan Munn
    Apr 17 '12 at 14:33
  • @Aditya As I understood it, that was the point of the pdftex, luatex and xetex tags. I'd only apply them to questions which are in some way related to the engine in use.
    – Joseph Wright Mod
    Apr 17 '12 at 14:37
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    @JosephWright I don't think that's true: the lualatex tag is a synonym for luatex, I think.
    – Alan Munn
    Apr 17 '12 at 14:50
  • @AlanMunn I thought that was because we don't have a latex tag. So if you try to tag as lualatex, what you are saying is your question is in some way LuaTeX-specific, but using the LaTeX format. So we strip out the LaTeX part, and leave the fact that it's engine-specific.
    – Joseph Wright Mod
    Apr 17 '12 at 14:52
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    @AlanMunn mkiv or MarkIV is a common name for the current ConTeXt format. See for example: wiki.contextgarden.net/Running_Mark_IV
    – topskip
    Apr 17 '12 at 15:21
  • @PatrickGundlach Do you have a sense of how many current questions would benefit from a [mkiv] tag?
    – Alan Munn
    Apr 17 '12 at 15:48
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    @AlanMunn 10% of the 136 ConTeXt questions have either [context] and [lua] or [context] and [luatex], so the current situation leads to confusion whether the OP should use [luatex] or [lua] together with [context] - a [mkiv] tag would have helped with these questions. A [mkii] tag could express that the OP is interested in a pdfTeX/XeTeX ConTeXt solution, a [mkiv] tag shows that a LuaTeX based ConTeXt solution would be fine, both tags could represent a "choice does not matter" question.
    – topskip
    Apr 17 '12 at 16:00
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    Well it's worth a try, I guess. Whether or not people actually use it is another thing. I would strongly recommend creating mk{ii|iv} suffixes for the [context] tag: i.e. [context-mkii] and [context-mkiv] along with very clear tag wikis to distinguish them rather than simple [mkii] and [mkiv] tags, which will not show up in the tag list when people try to add a [context] tag.
    – Alan Munn
    Apr 18 '12 at 0:23
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    @AlanMunn Make that an answer?
    – Joseph Wright Mod
    Apr 18 '12 at 9:12
  • Since we now have them: Do we agree that a mk(ii|iv) question should be tagged with [context] and [context-mk(ii|iv)]? That's how they do it over at dba with the oracle tag.
    – Martin Schröder
    Jan 10 '13 at 12:37
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Although I'm a bit skeptical that the tags will get used, it's worth a try. I propose creating mk{ii|iv} suffixes for the tag: i.e. and along with very clear tag wikis to distinguish them rather than simple [mkii] and [mkiv] tags, which will not show up in the tag list when people try to add a tag.

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I just saw that Patrick Gundlach has added the new tag to the first two questions, while at the same time removing and . I'm not familiar with any of these tag subjects, and it may well be that questions about may be of no interest to the "general luaTeX" user, but I suggest that questions about MkIV should also feature the general tag. For now, I re-added this tag to the two questions.

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  • "..but I suggest that questions about MkIV should also feature the general context tag" - would you mind to elaborate why you suggest to add the tag?
    – topskip
    Apr 19 '12 at 5:48
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    @Patrick Because many MkIV questions may also be of interest for general ConTeXt users.
    – lockstep
    Apr 19 '12 at 6:36
  • You're right. I'll keep the {context} tag in the next retag session :)
    – topskip
    Apr 21 '12 at 14:13

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